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Information Request: Enemas
I know some people might find the subject of enemas to be "TMI", so this is cut and anyone that doesn't have any information on it or something to share may bypass it as they please.

After a comment that enemas are bad, I've been doing a lot of research into them lately. At first most of the information I could find was only how to do a decent enema, but, after finding out it wasn't spelled enima, lately I've found dozens of articles about it. Most of them say there's nothing wrong with an enema as long as you don't over do it. Here's where I'm getting a little confused: Some said once a week, some say several times a week, and some even said twice a day is ok.

One arguement against frequent enema was that it washed away all the good bacteria with the bad. The solution to that was eat yogurt, but some articles even said that wasn't really an issue as it gave a place for the good bacteria to foster.

Another arguement against enemas was that it weakened the lining of the rectum and colon. A lot of places said, contrary to that, that it would strenthen the lining of the rectum and colon.

The last arguement against it, that I can think of off hand, is that it makes it more likely for STDs to be exchanged/transmitted. While I don't remember there being anything against this, it was only something like 5 or 10% more likely. My arguement against this is that if neither partner has any STDs and neither of you are fooling around with other people, then it's not possible to increase the chance of getting an STD.

Of views that support enemas, one reason was many people stayed healthy or got better by having regular enemas.

One other place said the only reason enemas aren't highly supported today as they were in previous times is because it was simply cost-effective to prescribe a pill in five minutes than to spend an hour with a patient cleaning out their colon for $500.

Does anyone out there have any more information or evidence to support either view that I haven't already discussed here?

P.S. After I get back from applying at Wal-Mart I'm going to post some of the sources I found.

Edited to add: These are a lot of the places I've already looked into. I may be missing something as I'm going back retroactively to find them. There are a dozen and a half links to different sources here.

Klismaphilia - A Physiological Perspective

Health & Yoga - Enema - enema instrutions
Health & Yoga - Frequency of an Enema
Health & Yoga - Who should avoid enema?

Enema Tips (Everything above 'Enema Equipment')

Enemas - Are They Useful?

Enema easy as 123
Enema FAQ's

alt.sex.enemas FAQ

McKinley Health Center - The Enema

Stone Fox - Enema Information

Douche and Enema How To Medical Fetish Library
AnalPlay - How To Medical Fetish Library (the part on enemas, "If you just use warm water it doesn't seem to upset the natural balance of bacteria nor does it irritate the lining.")

CHC Medical Library - Enemas (Some risks ("don't do without a doctor"), but not Why)

Enema Products: Uses and Cautions (mostly just for non-water or medical-related enemas)

RxMed: Pharmaceutical Information - Fleet EnemaThe first place to say this, "Frequent or prolonged use of enemas may result in dependence for bowel function."

Gummi Klinik: Enemas

Enema Mine

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scixual From: scixual Date: February 16th, 2005 06:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, the home-brewed shallow enema is lass likely to be an issue -- just rinse out the area before the second sphincter. Deeper enemas have a higher risk of issues -- the biggest I know of is that too-frequent colonics will cause your body to forget how to poo on its own.

I guess the thing that makes a difference for me is WHY someone would want an enema. For fun? Because they hate pooing? To clean up for receptive anal sex? Becuase they have a blockage? For medicianl reasons?

Depending on your answer, the depth, frequency and method would change.

Also see, "High Colonic" and "Anal Douche."
zimzat From: zimzat Date: February 16th, 2005 08:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
I guess what I'm actually looking for is more along the lines of 'anal douche'. I'm referring to the process of putting a liquid up the anus. I'm horrible with calling things by their commonly recognized name.

I was originally looking into it to clean up for receptive anal sex. After that, it became something I felt I wanted to do, and on a fairly regular basis (Klismaphilia, as I read it's called). Because of that comment about it being 'bad' for you and you should only do it once every six months, if that, I became concerned that what I was doing would screw me over so I started looking into it.

Maybe I'm confusing information about one thing which seems the same as something else?

I've gone through a rather large number of articles and sites roving for information on the subject, and most of the stuff I've read has been positive, with a hint of caution.
scixual From: scixual Date: February 17th, 2005 12:26 am (UTC) (Link)
Some of the shops that sell them also have information pages -- also look at the OTC disposable FLEET enema.

Almost all the "danger" is from deep/high enemas. Anything up to about two or three times a week is fine for the douching, based on my expeience and tha of some of my friends and customers (from whenI worked at the porn shop).

And for fun is the best reason to do anything! I recommend using nothing but warm water, though. Most anything you can add increases risk of issues, and with very little benefit, if any.

I've been considering starting a regular program, as I am a nervous bottom. One messy episode and I can't relax fully. A good douching would give me confidence.

I've done it before, witha water-bottle style setup, but I had done no research, so i figured the idea was to get as much water up there as possible.

It kind of defeated my purpose, though, as I was leaking water for over an hours. >_< I had done neither a douch nor a high colonic, but something in between that wasn't too satisfactory.

I thikn having a lover help might be sexy...
zimzat From: zimzat Date: February 17th, 2005 12:41 am (UTC) (Link)
Quite a few of the pages I listed above also have a shop. I figure they're just a little biased so I'm taking their information into account but trying not to use it as a definitive source.

One page I saw says warm water seems not to disturb the balance of bacteria or irritate the lining.

Aww, hehe. :-) When I was on another research topic, one page was talking about only anal douching before sex, and it said not to put much up there or you'll end up on the toilet for an hour or two instead of a quickie five to ten minute job.

Many pages that I've looked at describe how to do it with a partner. I doubt Le would be interested in that, though... I think. (He's already said he's not into feces *shrug*)
scixual From: scixual Date: February 17th, 2005 02:05 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, but there's not much contact with feces -- he could stick it in your bum!
zimzat From: zimzat Date: February 16th, 2005 09:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Virtually everything I can find on "anal douche" (even when adding 'information' and/or 'medical') is either a shop or a porn site. There might be one search result in ten that is actual information, and most of those I've already been to. (Now, mind you, only went back like 30 or 40 results)

I already know what I "high colonic" is (and I'm not really looking for that) so, I didn't search for that.
scixual From: scixual Date: February 17th, 2005 12:52 am (UTC) (Link)
I am referring my friend unexpectedly to this thread, as he's the Ass Master.
zimzat From: zimzat Date: February 17th, 2005 01:00 am (UTC) (Link)
That's ok (and thanks). I made this a public thread with a TMI warning and LJ-cut so people could opt-in or -out of the conversation as they want.

All the more information I can get, all the better (as long as it can be verified or supported one way or another).
unexpectedly From: unexpectedly Date: February 17th, 2005 09:43 am (UTC) (Link)
Hiya, zimzat!

Ok, so you're talking about shallow douching? My opinion is that there is almost no risk from this... We're talking about ounces of water, maybe up to a glassful. Goes in, comes right out. Maybe repeated.

Now, when we talk about accepting 2 qts ... basically so as to induce diarrhea... then you repeat this 2 or more times to absolutely clean out the lower colon (now, we're talking about a colonic)... this is the land of being careful to not repeat too often. Some of the deep and/or wide play i enjoy causes me to lose some control of my butt. But it's not that i can't hold it, rather that i notice the slightest poo in me and i go to the bathroom ... and if it won't drop out, i'll finger to get it out.

Here are your risks:
- USE LUBE on your butthole and on anything you insert. Elbow Grease is a great lube, but note that it's not latex condom safe... but if you use a female condom for sex, it's ok.

i have managed to anger/tear/(i don't know what) the skin of my anus and i'm kinda bleed-y. It's been like this since before i started seriously playing with my butt. It was started when i had a ton of stress 10 years ago, and was runny boweled for a long while, then "wiped" too much with toilet paper. :P

- DON'T PUSH THINGS INTO YOU HARD. Sounds like a "duh" but if you poke somethin into you and it doesn't give, don't push hard.



OK, so over the last year, i was VERY active and would give myself colonics almost weekly ... and sometimes twice a week. And i played daily with HUGE toys ... and weekly would get fisted. Recently, my life has gotten so crazy that i had nearly no time for fun. And in the matter of weeks, my butt returned a LONG way towards "normal".

Anyhow ... if you'd like to talk more, i'd be more than happy to meet with you and share more. :) Oh, and a "shower shot" works well. Ringold Alley has `em for cheap...
zimzat From: zimzat Date: February 17th, 2005 04:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for your advice, and I'll definately keep it in mind. Looks like I'll be generally limiting myself to once a week, because virtually every time I've done it it seems to tend to somehow go deeper than originally anticipated (maybe the method, the position, or whatever), although I may still try the shallow one occasionally.

I can relate to the 'returned to normal' bit, because even after having gotten rather large it still returns to its normal pre-stretch size within a day or two. I can get really loose one evening and the next evening I'll be mostly tight again (although it does get loose again a bit easier). (I think I just repeated myself twice there. sorry)

The lube and pushing bit? *nod* Yeah, I know. I've been having anal sex for a little while now, and figured that kind of stuff would carry over. I looked into all of that before having anal sex the first time, as I'd rather not go into possibly damaging activities uninformed (especially having my oldest sister go nuts on me about having anal sex being very bad for you, how it tears you up inside, causes rips, not supposed to have things go in where they come out, etc). (... I already knew everything she was saying was bull for the most part when she told me that. Yes, I know those are possible, but for the most part only if you rush things)

Price isn't exactly something I'm concerning myself with, largely because I don't have any money to buy anything. There were three methods I've tried so far. One I read about that you could use the end of the shower hose with the nozzle taken off. The other two I tried on my own; I started off by having the shower running on very soft and stretching my anus open to let water in while laying in the tub, the other way was a variation to use it coming out of the tub facet (whatever it's called) rather than shower.
unexpectedly From: unexpectedly Date: February 18th, 2005 06:31 am (UTC) (Link)
ah, ok. You are talking about big enemas. You should consider getting a cheap-o enema bag. They're 2 qts. The good thing is that you know exactly how much water is going in you.

OK, so is your enema play for deep or thorough cleaning or for pleasure?

More thoughts:
- if cleaning for fucking, you really don't need much water in at a time. Use a measuring cup or other vassel. Fill, flush, wait, push some more, repeat 2 or 4 times.
- if cleaning for real deep play or fisting, same as above only use all 2qts for each fill. ;)
- if for pleasure, then don't repeat.

Repeating the flushing gets you really clean. It gets rid of the poo clinging to your walls or hiding in folds. And different positions have different effects. i try to fill in a few different positions.

And who says loose is bad? That's the only way to get peoples' hands in you. ;)
zimzat From: zimzat Date: February 18th, 2005 12:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
When I said "I don't have any money to buy anything" I meant that quite literally. I don't have a job and the only money I do have is a one dollar bill (Nor would anyone loan me money). On the other hand, I do have a job interview this morning at Wal-Mart, so hopefully that will turn into something.

I first did it to clean before anal sex (as a precautionary 'if we should have anal sex tonight'). After that it just felt like something I wanted to do, so I did. I usually only did it once or twice, with the twice typically only happening if it didn't get deep the first time. A few times before releasing I'd jerk off and it'd go (at least a little) deeper anyway.

(Now, I've only been doing it for like a week, not several weeks or months as it may sound. I haven't been doing it these last few days, though)

I can't say I'm much for fisting. I may try it some day, but it doesn't seem very appealing to me right now.
My philosephy, though, is to each their own. If you (in general) like something I don't, that's fine. You can ask iceraver or tearysky, I don't get freaked out by things. ^^ Everything is simply another part of life to me.
damnitnicole From: damnitnicole Date: February 17th, 2005 08:31 am (UTC) (Link)
That's... a whole lot more than I'd like to follow links about enemas.

But to my knowledge, it's safe up to once every week or two, except for the stuff about STDs being more likely. I asked my gyno about it a couple of years ago, for the same rasons, and that's what she told me.
zimzat From: zimzat Date: February 17th, 2005 03:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
I posted all those links just to prove what information I had gone through. Only one of those links even mentions anything about 'possible bowel problems', and even then it's as generic as that. I wanted specifics as to what, why, and how often is too often.

One site lists possible risks, but mostly they're just saying "don't do this without a doctor supervising" without saying Why.

Thanks for the information from the doctor. I guess that means I need to limit it to once a week.
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