Russell (zimzat) wrote,

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Rebuttal: Blackfive's Crush quoting Ermey on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

In an entry on Blackfive entitled "The Gunny Speaks" poster Crush quotes from a Military Times interview of R. Lee Ermey. He quotes:

Q. What are your thoughts on the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy and recent efforts to end the ban on open service by gays and lesbians?

A. I don’t have a problem with “don’t ask, don’t tell.” It works. Now all of a sudden, this illustrious leader of America decided he wants to put openly gay people in the military. But where are they going to live and take showers, and which bathrooms are they going to use?

I liken it to putting me in the woman Marine barracks. I would have a great time, but I don’t think they would like it very much.

If I’m taking a shower in an open shower bay, the last thing I want is some guy looking at me having sexual fantasies.

I think everybody in this country should have equal rights, but I don’t think we should infringe on someone else’s to give another person more.

Someone commented on Crush's entry, saying:

Like every time this DADT argument is made ("what will we do about showers/shitters/sleep tents?") I expect his comments to be met with cavernous silence. People don't respond because they can't. It's an unassailable argument.

It sounds like Ermey is against repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", except Crush didn't quote Ermey's full response to that question. The rest follows:

There is no problem serving alongside [gays] in combat.

I’ve never had a problem with that. The only problems I see are social.

As you can see Ermey isn't as completely set against the idea as the partial quote makes it sound. He has no problem with serving along side them. In a way he admits that he isn't secure enough with himself to simply shrug off what other people may think. It's the same thing women have had to deal with every time they see a guy looking at them, fully clothed or not.

And now I will respond/assail the argument/question of what will we do about showers and sleeping tents: Nothing. We'll do nothing special for anyone. We would continue on as if nothing has changed, because nothing really has. We already have gym showers that don't turn into sex orgies. There are unisex bathrooms. There are already gays and bisexuals in public bathrooms, yet it's not sex 24/7.

The argument that we would need to do something different for gays once we know they're there sounds very similar to segregation of blacks and whites in bathrooms, water fountains, military commands, housing, etc. It only serves to divide us and keep us from getting to know each other.

The only people I see decrying public bathrooms, showers, or sleeping bunks are the ones who can't keep their imagination to themselves. The people who assume that because there is the potential for attraction on even one side then they will try something. Let me tell you from personal experience, just because I'm attracted to someone doesn't mean I'm going to try anything. I know where the boundaries are, and I don't cross them. Anyone who does, regardless of sexuality, would be a rapist, no more and no less. Not every rapist is gay, and not every gay is a rapist. Or even most.

Lastly, I don't think Ermey would really be having a great time in the women's Marine barracks. Once the novelty wore off, and it would, I think he would be too busy with his day-to-day activities, preparing for inspections, training, exercising, etc to really pay attention.

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