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Wisconsion Senate Republicans and Governor are petty
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Asa Ayers [google.com] From: Asa Ayers [google.com] Date: March 4th, 2011 02:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's not petty. Part of their job is to vote on proposed bills. They can vote in either direction, but a bill was introduced and they all decided they won't come back to work until whoever is in favor of the bill gives up on it. I'm pretty sure if you didn't like something at work and decided you weren't going to come back until you get your way you'd get fired. That sounds REALLY childish.

Also, I don't see what's unconstitutional about telling someone they need to get back here and do their job. It might be that there is nothing that can legally be done.
raist_ From: raist_ Date: March 4th, 2011 02:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

I first felt as you did.

I believe the Democrats are willing to return if the removal of collective bargaining rights was removed from the budget repair bill.

The unions have agreed to all of the financial concessions. They just want the ability to bargain as a unit in the future when the economy is better. Is that so wrong?

I support my state senator (who happens to be one of those Democrats waiting over the state border) in this. The ENTIRETY of the senators' job is to protect and support those in their district. That's what they're doing.
legolastn From: legolastn Date: March 5th, 2011 03:12 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: I first felt as you did.

Exactly. The provisions for a quorum are precisely to help create a state of political democracy rather than mob rule. It is one bulwark against the majority taking away rights from the minority - such as is clearly being attempted here.
zimzat From: zimzat Date: March 4th, 2011 05:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
The only reason the senator's absence is a huge deal is because it takes more people present than it does to pass the issue. That was probably added for a reason in the past, and these senators are taking full advantage of that.

I still haven't heard any good reasons why taking away collective bargining is such a critical issue. Are they being forced to pay them too much? Are they making outrageous demands? Are they refusing to take a pay cut to "save" the state budget? (The idea that one single area of the budget can so hugely affect the "saving" of the budget leads me to think something is way out of balance, and I doubt its the lowly worker salary).

It's unconstitutional because their constitution says their lawmakers (senators) can only be arrested during session hours for very specific reasons, which don't include this one.
sisyphus238 From: sisyphus238 Date: March 4th, 2011 05:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
If Wisconsin succeeds in disallowing collective bargaining, there will be no reason for the union(s) to exist. Walker is a Tea-Party Republican who has garnered huge support from, among others, the Koch brothers. The whole thing is just a ploy to take away financial support from the Democrats.
zimzat From: zimzat Date: March 4th, 2011 10:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Breaking up the democrats, in my opinion, wouldn't be the end of the world. It's not like every democrat would suddenly turn into a republican, after all. It would give the republicans a brief period of supremacy, but once the parties who take over the Republicans get their act together then the Republicans will probably break apart as well.

Too many people vote party line because that is their party line, or that's what the other side doesn't want. *shakes head*
sisyphus238 From: sisyphus238 Date: March 5th, 2011 01:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Eight years of Bush have brought us to this pass. True, the Dems aren't that much better, but with no money to back them, the field is left open for the Republicans to finish the job they started; the complete dismantlement of what ever is left of "democracy" and its replacement by the Corporatocracy and its minion of theocrats.
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